No, the install isn't the easiest thing to someone not familar with it, but the Gentoo documentation is quite good. The basic install (known as a stage 1 install) alone can take a fair amount of time since everything has to be compiled. However, you can save time by using what's called a stage 2 install where some of the basic install is precompiled. A stage 3 install is where the entire basic install is already compiled. We would not be able to complete a stage 1 or stage 2 install during a typical WLUG meeting and it is the kind of thing to let run overnight. If you are a laptop user you can download all the neccessary source files in advance and leave the meeting with the laptop still compiling. Otherwise, a constant, and preferably fast, network connection is required. On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 Mike Leo <mleo963@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy.
Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs?
just one man's opinion....
On Tuesday 31 August 2004 11:58 am, Ryan Caron wrote:
We would not be able to complete a stage 1 or stage 2 install during a typical WLUG meeting and it is the kind of thing to let run overnight.
actually, you could, if you have an amd64 or similar machine :)
If you are a laptop user you can download all the neccessary source files in advance and leave the meeting with the laptop still compiling. Otherwise, a constant, and preferably fast, network connection is required.
yep, you can download all the source files by adding '-f' to the step you're about to execute, then proceed with the actual build to got from a 'complete Gentoo system' (stage3) to a typical 'desktop system' can be done quickly with GRP (a set of binary packages for things like KE/GNOME/X/etc...) -mike
how far into the gentoo install can you get? Is the last step the long process? I can volunteer a fast machine if we could get most of the way thru at the meeting and I can just kill it at the end. Or is every step along the way very time consuming? We could have several pc's setup installing all at once so people could see a knoppix install or a SUse install or a gentoo all at once --- Ryan Caron <rcaron@WPI.EDU> wrote:
No, the install isn't the easiest thing to someone not familar with it, but the Gentoo documentation is quite good. The basic install (known as a stage 1 install) alone can take a fair amount of time since everything has to be compiled. However, you can save time by using what's called a stage 2 install where some of the basic install is precompiled. A stage 3 install is where the entire basic install is already compiled.
We would not be able to complete a stage 1 or stage 2 install during a typical WLUG meeting and it is the kind of thing to let run overnight. If you are a laptop user you can download all the neccessary source files in advance and leave the meeting with the laptop still compiling. Otherwise, a constant, and preferably fast, network connection is required.
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 Mike Leo <mleo963@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy.
Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs?
just one man's opinion....
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I could get into this type of meeting. In fact, watching the time it takes to do a Gentoo install vs say Knoppix is prat of the fun. I can also provide some Yellow Dog Linux 3.0.1 Cds for anyone interested in trying to run Linux on a PPC. I'd like to see how Fedora Core install is progressing these days. I have SUSE 9.1 Pro sitting here that I'd also like to see run, if anyone has some guts and a machine. :) I can even see about bringing along a PC that can use a new install. Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc? I'm wondering if we can leech some cycles opff idle laptops to speed the Gentoo build up. Ahh here it is: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml#bootstrapping The distcc thought might take some coordinatino though. Just some thoughts/ramblings. Brian
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 08:54 am, Brian Waite wrote:
I could get into this type of meeting. In fact, watching the time it takes to do a Gentoo install
if you know the internals of the build process you can trick the whole proccess to use just binary packages (assuming of course you have the binary packages)
Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc?
yes -mike
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:13:32 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 08:54 am, Brian Waite wrote:
I could get into this type of meeting. In fact, watching the time it takes to do a Gentoo install
if you know the internals of the build process you can trick the whole proccess to use just binary packages (assuming of course you have the binary packages) That might be a good solution for the time constrained. Maybe at the time we do a Binary Gentoo install and then go into detail about how to emerge and build the apps at a later date. That might actually get me to use Gentoo again. If I can have a fully configured system in a short amount of time, I can setup cron jobs to build optimized versions at night.
Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc?
I looked deeper into the Gentoo distcc build and it looks like it might not be very easy. They require (correctly) a hardened version of the compiler if I under stood corretly and trying to ensure N machines with M distors have the right compilers would be unreallistic.
yes -mike
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On Wednesday 01 September 2004 09:41 am, Brian Waite wrote:
Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc?
I looked deeper into the Gentoo distcc build and it looks like it might not be very easy. They require (correctly) a hardened version of the compiler if I under stood corretly and trying to ensure N machines with M distors have the right compilers would be unreallistic.
the hardened features are just propolice support (which is built into all of Gentoo by default now) in practice, you just need the same compiler version (gcc-3.3.3 with gcc-3.2.3 will probably get you in trouble) ... some ebuilds misbehave and append non-standard flags, but i'm working with people on fixing those -mike
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