There is much development between Linux and the iPhone, is anyone else interested in this? On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:57 AM, wlug-request@mail.wlug.org wrote:
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1. Re: Help finding decent headset? (E Johnson) 2. Re: Help finding decent headset? (soup) 3. Re: Help finding decent headset? (E Johnson) 4. Re: Help finding decent headset? (Richard Klein) 5. Re: Help finding decent headset? (Randall Mason)
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:57:38 -0400 From: E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug@mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <v2s70541d1e1004191557s40964f0cu20164ded771620e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Wow, amazing.
Bose is way too high-cost.
Some of these headsets have an input impedence of over 100 ohms --I recall having one like this which did not work.
Plantronics does not show input impedence on their website. In fact tech sheets there are impossible to find, even with the correct part number / product description. Nor do their "technical representatives" have this available. A nice girl there will have an engineer!!! look this up & tell her, then she promises to e-mail me with this arcane but necessary data.
I had been hoping someone here would be able to say "I have this unit, it works great for the purpose you specified", but it appears I'm in for a long stalk and not a quick ambush.
So if I find whatever I'm hunting I'll be back with details.
Thanks again, Liz
On 19 April 2010 17:01, Jorden M <jrm8005@gmail.com> wrote:
Bose is generally regarded as having superior audio-quality. Maybe out of your price range, though.
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote:
Do not have Bluetooth here; do not want.
I make VoIP calls through the computer (not a telephone handest). The headset must not hiss, must transmit voice clearly without chopping, needs to be able to send/receive some depth of sound in order to hear voice nuances. Don't need huge booming bass, just normal voice.
Would like something that uses the pair of 3.5 mm jacks. Would like analog sound rather than digitally-processed. Sound is already digitally-processed as it moves through the sound card and sent out in packets.
Someone asked for reviews here. Can't do really --some of these headsets are long-gone; the ones remaining are in the reject bin, but not labelled as to the reason. At least three sets have bee given away to friends to use for emergency backup in case theirs fails.
One Logitech headset for VoIP (an inexpensive, behind-the-head model) was very painful above the ears. Most of the supra-aural sets are like wearing little wooden blocks over the ears, lightly padded with thin foam. Two I have had to pad out under the foam phone covers. The units with pseudo-leather or pseudo-velvet phone covers seem to be padded a little better.
Most of these headsets are too big (slip off) yet conversely the same headset might be too tight on the ears.
Believe it or not, the best headset I ever had was the Cyber Acoustics Neckband Style Stereo Headset/Microphone AC-634, which used to cost about $11 and now costs about $14. It's too big for my head in back, though. These seem to last about 6 months to a year before one of the phone or mic wires breaks. owned several of those. gave up because I thought it would be nice to rest my neck against the headrest here, without pushing the headset forward off my ears. One needs a large head.think neck for these to fit well, perhaps.
Logitech now offers a behind-the-neck headset with a sofe(er) silicone-lined headband, that people seem to like. But the review I find for this one seem mainly to have been written by gamers. They have totally different requirements than VoIP users. Also, this thing is a little expensive for what it appears to be... unless it really does produce very good sound. Has anyone used this one??
Although my question here may be another of my famous unanswerable questions, thanks again, Liz J
On 19 April 2010 14:50, Randall Mason <clashthebunny@gmail.com> wrote:
I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics.
Randall Mason
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com>
wrote:
Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of time in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had very fuzzy sound in and out.
I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset that was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What to get?
VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets that gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to be expensive for the build and/or quality.
I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music or watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's side too.
ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide clear direction on other options that do succesfully work with a non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some consultation.
Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) Debian or Ubuntu?
TIA, Liz J
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The iPhone is still far too much of a vendor-lockin device. Apple increases their constriction on free development more with every release. Which is sad, because with an open hw/sw stack, it would be amazing. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Spyrek <kpoisant@gmail.com> wrote:
There is much development between Linux and the iPhone, is anyone else interested in this?
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1. Re: Help finding decent headset? (E Johnson) 2. Re: Help finding decent headset? (soup) 3. Re: Help finding decent headset? (E Johnson) 4. Re: Help finding decent headset? (Richard Klein) 5. Re: Help finding decent headset? (Randall Mason)
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:57:38 -0400 From: E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug@mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <v2s70541d1e1004191557s40964f0cu20164ded771620e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Wow, amazing.
Bose is way too high-cost.
Some of these headsets have an input impedence of over 100 ohms --I recall having one like this which did not work.
Plantronics does not show input impedence on their website. In fact tech sheets there are impossible to find, even with the correct part number / product description. Nor do their "technical representatives" have this available. A nice girl there will have an engineer!!! look this up & tell her, then she promises to e-mail me with this arcane but necessary data.
I had been hoping someone here would be able to say "I have this unit, it works great for the purpose you specified", but it appears I'm in for a long stalk and not a quick ambush.
So if I find whatever I'm hunting I'll be back with details.
Thanks again, Liz
On 19 April 2010 17:01, Jorden M <jrm8005@gmail.com> wrote:
Bose is generally regarded as having superior audio-quality. Maybe out of your price range, though.
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote:
Do not have Bluetooth here; do not want.
I make VoIP calls through the computer (not a telephone handest). The headset must not hiss, must transmit voice clearly without chopping, needs to be able to send/receive some depth of sound in order to hear voice nuances. Don't need huge booming bass, just normal voice.
Would like something that uses the pair of 3.5 mm jacks. Would like analog sound rather than digitally-processed. Sound is already digitally-processed as it moves through the sound card and sent out in packets.
Someone asked for reviews here. Can't do really --some of these headsets are long-gone; the ones remaining are in the reject bin, but not labelled as to the reason. At least three sets have bee given away to friends to use for emergency backup in case theirs fails.
One Logitech headset for VoIP (an inexpensive, behind-the-head model) was very painful above the ears. Most of the supra-aural sets are like wearing little wooden blocks over the ears, lightly padded with thin foam. Two I have had to pad out under the foam phone covers. The units with pseudo-leather or pseudo-velvet phone covers seem to be padded a little better.
Most of these headsets are too big (slip off) yet conversely the same headset might be too tight on the ears.
Believe it or not, the best headset I ever had was the Cyber Acoustics Neckband Style Stereo Headset/Microphone AC-634, which used to cost about $11 and now costs about $14. It's too big for my head in back, though. These seem to last about 6 months to a year before one of the phone or mic wires breaks. owned several of those. gave up because I thought it would be nice to rest my neck against the headrest here, without pushing the headset forward off my ears. One needs a large head.think neck for these to fit well, perhaps.
Logitech now offers a behind-the-neck headset with a sofe(er) silicone-lined headband, that people seem to like. But the review I find for this one seem mainly to have been written by gamers. They have totally different requirements than VoIP users. Also, this thing is a little expensive for what it appears to be... unless it really does produce very good sound. Has anyone used this one??
Although my question here may be another of my famous unanswerable questions, thanks again, Liz J
On 19 April 2010 14:50, Randall Mason <clashthebunny@gmail.com> wrote:
I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics.
Randall Mason
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com>
wrote:
Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of time in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had very fuzzy sound in and out.
I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset that was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What to get?
VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets that gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to be expensive for the build and/or quality.
I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music or watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's side too.
ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide clear direction on other options that do succesfully work with a non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some consultation.
Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) Debian or Ubuntu?
TIA, Liz J
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The iPhone is still far too much of a vendor-lockin device. Apple increases their constriction on free development more with every release.
Which is sad, because with an open hw/sw stack, it would be amazing.
HI all, I was recently given an iPod touch, which is similar (as I understand it) to the iPhone. Upon opening the box, I noticed immediately that the device is a brick. It won't do anything until it is connected to Windoze or Mac and has iTunes loaded. Vendor lock #1. OK, so my sister has a Windoze box and we un-bricked the device. Now it functions. My attempt to load FREE (as in zero cost) applications from the Apple Apps Store illustrates Vendor Lock #2. I had to apply for an account, even to download free applications. The tool refused to authenticate my account (I did not give my credit card number), so now I cannot download the zero cost applications. Go figure. I am in the process of trying to "jailbreak" the device...that is, run software which removes some of the silly restrictions. The software which runs on Linux to do this is outdated for my iPod OS version (3.1.2), so its back to the Windoze machine. Vendor lock #3. This step is in progress. Once I do this, I believe I can connect to Cydia and download truly free applications. Had I not been given this device, I would have quit a long time ago. Frankly, I wouldn't advise wasting your money on the purchase of an iPod. I agree with the previous post...it is far too much of a vendor lock-in device, which is really too bad. My 2 cents...devalued of course for inflation. Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLzgpJOjiraCaOTOoRAmTUAJ474Vegvu07ln1ixbHMeCsKuynvdgCeO8er kirThTU4qx6JoVN+e8cjOQ4= =ioIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I was going to write a real response to this thread extolling the (relative) virtues of android, a platform which, while often locked down by the carriers selling the phones, such as Verizon stripping out the native tethering feature, has the advantage of starting off as an open platform - and if you really want one, you can buy a nexus at full price with no carrier contract at all. I intended to talk about things like how android being open source has allowed for K-9, a client of the native email client with tons of improvements, or how with a simple "I know what I'm doing" settings change you can trivially install apps off of any arbitrary web site, removing the app store as an ultimate arbiter of what you can run on your phone. But then, Saint Steve summed it all up in this beautiful quote, taken here from http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20002922-71.html "Folks who want porn can buy and (sic) Android phone." I really couldn't have said it better myself. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart@comcast.net> wrote:
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Jorden M wrote:
The iPhone is still far too much of a vendor-lockin device. Apple increases their constriction on free development more with every release.
Which is sad, because with an open hw/sw stack, it would be amazing.
HI all,
I was recently given an iPod touch, which is similar (as I understand it) to the iPhone.
Upon opening the box, I noticed immediately that the device is a brick. It won't do anything until it is connected to Windoze or Mac and has iTunes loaded. Vendor lock #1.
OK, so my sister has a Windoze box and we un-bricked the device. Now it functions. My attempt to load FREE (as in zero cost) applications from the Apple Apps Store illustrates Vendor Lock #2. I had to apply for an account, even to download free applications. The tool refused to authenticate my account (I did not give my credit card number), so now I cannot download the zero cost applications. Go figure.
Yeah, the only way around that is to buy an iTunes card.
I am in the process of trying to "jailbreak" the device...that is, run software which removes some of the silly restrictions. The software which runs on Linux to do this is outdated for my iPod OS version (3.1.2), so its back to the Windoze machine. Vendor lock #3. This step is in progress.
Once I do this, I believe I can connect to Cydia and download truly free applications.
Yes. You can also download the GCC toolchain right to the phone so you don't have to use another computer for development (Thanks, Apple, for crippling a device that is a full-fledged Unix). However, if the OS is V3.1 or higher, libgpod can't put music on it. You can get files from the device, but not music or pictures due to Apple's proprietary database format and hashing scheme. Jobs wants you to use iTunes or go elsewhere. Thanks, Steve, your narrow-mindedness knows no bounds.
Had I not been given this device, I would have quit a long time ago.
Frankly, I wouldn't advise wasting your money on the purchase of an iPod. I agree with the previous post...it is far too much of a vendor lock-in device, which is really too bad.
My 2 cents...devalued of course for inflation.
Andy
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