Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Macropads + Matrix + lots of other stuff!
We've got a meeting tomorrow!! Date and TIme: March 12th 2026 @ 7PM Physical Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic(s): 1. I'm going to show off the macropad I bought at Microcenter running QMK and how you go about flashing it and some of its really useful features. 2. Matrix stuff! Venus was gracious enough to get a matrix chat going, the next decision is if we stick with signal, stick with matrix or do we roll our own matrix? It's clear we need to "pick a lane" otherwise we've got 11 different chats everywhere.. 3. California's AB 1043 Age verification bullshit being pushed by idiots.. I know people have feelings.. I definitely do. 4. Kernel 7.0 right over the horizon!! 5. I guess we can talk about Kent Overstreet's AI girlfriend? Rather not.. I may or may not have a funky keyboard to show off as well..we'll see. As always after the meeting we'll head out to dinner and keep talking! I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".
Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Date and TIme: March 12th 2026 @ 7PM Physical Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA
Got my headphones; tested sound; tried first a few minutes before 7. No surprise nobody there yet. But I check back from time to time. It's wait for moderator until 2026-03-12(Thu) 19:21:06EDT(UTC-0400). Are you on UTC or measuring time in radians? -- Keith
Methinks the Jitsi was never opened. I have up a few minutes ago. -------- Original Message -------- On Thursday, 03/12/26 at 19:23 Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Date and TIme: March 12th 2026 @ 7PM Physical Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA
Got my headphones; tested sound; tried first a few minutes before 7. No surprise nobody there yet. But I check back from time to time. It's wait for moderator until 2026-03-12(Thu) 19:21:06EDT(UTC-0400). Are you on UTC or measuring time in radians? -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YGO3X2...
Guys, I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management. Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care? Cheers, John
Looks ok to me On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:53 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Guys, I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management.
Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care?
Cheers, John
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Hi John, Minor fix but of big importance: the "please contact Tim Keller" on the About page has no link or better a text-based obfuscated e-mail address associated with it. On the home page, the "WLUG now has a Meetup group: URL" doesn't link anywhere either. Cheers, Michael On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 2:02 PM Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Looks ok to me
On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:53 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Guys, I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management.
Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care?
Cheers, John
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"Michael" == Michael Lam via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Minor fix but of big importance: the "please contact Tim Keller" on the About page has no link or better a text-based obfuscated e-mail address associated with it. On the home page, the "WLUG now has a Meetup group: URL" doesn't link anywhere either.
I'll fix this up!
Cheers, Michael
On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 2:02 PM Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Looks ok to me
On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:53 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Guys, I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management.
Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care?
Cheers, John
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"Michael" == Michael Lam via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
So I've updated the about page to spell out Tim's email. We should probably make it 'president@wlug.org' instead down the line. And it looks like Tim has removed the out of date "Meetup group" stuff since we're not using or paying for it any more. John
Minor fix but of big importance: the "please contact Tim Keller" on the About page has no link or better a text-based obfuscated e-mail address associated with it. On the home page, the "WLUG now has a Meetup group: URL" doesn't link anywhere either.
Cheers, Michael
On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 2:02 PM Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Looks ok to me
On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:53 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Guys, I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management.
Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care?
Cheers, John
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Tux (penguin) would be cool! Will you hand off, or be webmaster? Thanks either way, plus same/s'more to everyone else... doug/dmildram in the tech void.. north of Portland ME On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:54 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Guys, I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management.
Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care?
Cheers, John
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eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Methinks the Jitsi was never opened. I have up a few minutes ago.
Actually, I had nothing to do but sit with my laptop on top of my lap and work on other things, so I left jit.si running and checked back. About 7:45 they showed up in a new room with the meeting in progress. I don't care much about crooked keyboards. WLUG meetings these days are mostly a chance to test my sound and video, which I rarely use otherwise. My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a message saying they are going out of business. I got another; am sending this mail throught it. The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)" There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) It seemed to install just fine. But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion. I had planned to ask a question, but in trying to ask it I have found the answer; I just misread the man page and made a stupid typo. -- Keith
"Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Methinks the Jitsi was never opened. I have up a few minutes ago.
Actually, I had nothing to do but sit with my laptop on top of my lap and work on other things, so I left jit.si running and checked back.
About 7:45 they showed up in a new room with the meeting in progress.
I don't care much about crooked keyboards. WLUG meetings these days are mostly a chance to test my sound and video, which I rarely use otherwise.
My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a message saying they are going out of business.
I got another; am sending this mail throught it.
The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)"
Do you run dovecot for IMAP(s) access to your mail? Or do you just deliver it locally and read it using some other mail program? I ask because with Trixie, dovecot was upgraded to v2.4.x and it's a big problem because the configuration language has been changed, and it's not as stable as the old 2.3.x version is, and some features have been pulled. So I'd be careful upgrading. I've been thinking about deploying "Mail-in-box" instead, just to get more spam filtering, and more integration with DNS, DKIM, SPF, rspam, etc. Doing mail well is a pain.
There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) It seemed to install just fine.
But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion.
I had planned to ask a question, but in trying to ask it I have found the answer; I just misread the man page and made a stupid typo.
-- Keith
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John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
"Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a message saying they are going out of business.
I got another; am sending this mail throught it.
The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)"
Do you run dovecot for IMAP(s) access to your mail? Or do you just deliver it locally and read it using some other mail program?
I log into the VPS and use emacs (rmail-get-new-mail ... ...), which is bound to a single keystroke, to copy mbox file from /var/... to RMAIL in /home/kwright. Diane uses thunderbird on Windows which (I think) uses imap to interact with dovecot on VPS. From time to time I use rsync to copy RMAIL@VPS to RMAIL@laptop where I can read it again, write this reply, maybe copy it to thumb drive or web page.
I ask because with Trixie, dovecot was upgraded to v2.4.x and it's a big problem because the configuration language has been changed, and it's not as stable as the old 2.3.x version is, and some features have been pulled.
But that part seems to be working. Whatever Hostinger put in the Debian boot image together with a few "apt install"s of my own, just does it.
So I'd be careful upgrading. I've been thinking about deployin "Mail-in-box" instead, just to get more spam filtering, and more integration with DNS, DKIM, SPF, rspam, etc.
Doing mail well is a pain.
My current pain is fail2ban, which seems like a good idea but seems to be having a fight with systemd. I get error messages that seem to indicate I need to install nft (nftables), otherwise fail2ban can put an IPaddr in jail, but that has no effect.
There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) It seemed to install just fine.
I now think there is no N. Debian 13 is one thing, after that the problem is to apt install (and configure) the right versions of postfix, dovecot, fail2ban, and ... ... ...
But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion.
-- Keith
"Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Sorry for the delay Keith, new job, life and such all got in the way.
John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
"Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a message saying they are going out of business.
I got another; am sending this mail throught it.
The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)"
Do you run dovecot for IMAP(s) access to your mail? Or do you just deliver it locally and read it using some other mail program?
I log into the VPS and use emacs (rmail-get-new-mail ... ...), which is bound to a single keystroke, to copy mbox file from /var/... to RMAIL in /home/kwright. Diane uses thunderbird on Windows which (I think) uses imap to interact with dovecot on VPS.
Nice! I haven't used rmail is years and years but I have fond memories.
From time to time I use rsync to copy RMAIL@VPS to RMAIL@laptop where I can read it again, write this reply, maybe copy it to thumb drive or web page.
I ask because with Trixie, dovecot was upgraded to v2.4.x and it's a big problem because the configuration language has been changed, and it's not as stable as the old 2.3.x version is, and some features have been pulled.
But that part seems to be working. Whatever Hostinger put in the Debian boot image together with a few "apt install"s of my own, just does it.
Great, I'm happy to hear this. I assume you're wife also has a login on your VPS and she's using that username/password to access her email.
So I'd be careful upgrading. I've been thinking about deployin "Mail-in-box" instead, just to get more spam filtering, and more integration with DNS, DKIM, SPF, rspam, etc.
Doing mail well is a pain.
My current pain is fail2ban, which seems like a good idea but seems to be having a fight with systemd.
I'm using fail2ban and it works great.
I get error messages that seem to indicate I need to install nft (nftables), otherwise fail2ban can put an IPaddr in jail, but that has no effect.
Yes, you need to install a firewall tool so that fail2ban can insert rules to drop packets/connections matching rules. I have both 'nftables' and 'iptables' installed.
There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) It seemed to install just fine.
I now think there is no N. Debian 13 is one thing, after that the problem is to apt install (and configure) the right versions of postfix, dovecot, fail2ban, and ... ... ...
But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion.
LOL! I understand, it's all so complicated. So for fail2ban, I would just do: sudo apt install nftables iptables and then check the logs and see if you still get the same warning. Can you also share your configuration? for example, I have the following: $ sudo fail2ban-client status Status |- Number of jail: 1 `- Jail list: sshd which shows that I have one jail setup for 'ssh' connections. To get more details I do: $ sudo fail2ban-client status sshd Status for the jail: sshd |- Filter | |- Currently failed: 2 | |- Total failed: 276156 | `- File list: /var/log/auth.log `- Actions |- Currently banned: 2 |- Total banned: 43350 `- Banned IP list: 87.251.64.144 80.66.66.70 But if you post the output of your exact log message, I'd be happy to help. Also post your fail2ban config info as well.
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"Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Sorry for the delay Keith, new job, life and such all got in the way.
I'm OK without a job, but it would be nice to have a life.
So for fail2ban, I would just do: sudo apt install nftables iptables and then check the logs and see if you still get the same warning.
Yes. I did that last week. See you in a few hours, jit.si gods willing. -- Keith
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"Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Sorry for the delay Keith, new job, life and such all got in the way.
I'm OK without a job, but it would be nice to have a life.
Hahahahah! Touche' Keith!
So for fail2ban, I would just do: sudo apt install nftables iptables and then check the logs and see if you still get the same warning.
Yes. I did that last week.
Great, are you seeing the errors still?
See you in a few hours, jit.si gods willing.
Hope to see you there!
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