I'm posing this question becuase I'm betting some on this list have ventured down the path before me... I'm looking to avoid having to keep up on the latest and greatest web development stuff just to have a useful an interesting site. So, I'm looking for something like phpnuke to convert over to. I am aware of phpnuke, and other similar packages out there. I'm planning on downloading nuke to see what it can and can't do... I wouldn't mind having control over things providing I have the time, but am to the point where I do not want ot have to write code every time I get an idea. I already have a job... So, anyone have a favorite tool, collection of tools, etc., that they would recommend for a person site that supports logins, discussion threads, etc.? Steve
So, anyone have a favorite tool, collection of tools, etc., that they would recommend for a person site that supports logins, discussion threads, etc.?
I use/maintain a phpnuke site and it works OK but my biggest complaint about all these CMS's is how fragmented the support, documentation, add-on downloads, etc are for at least phpnuke and postnuke. Check out http://www.opencms.org in your search too, but even this does not impress me too much. I'm anxious to hear anyone's feedback on this issue because I would like to break out of the nuke mold because every nuke site pretty much looks and feels the same. BR
I'm anxious to hear anyone's feedback on this issue because I would like to break out of the nuke mold because every nuke site pretty much looks and feels the same.
I'm going to look into migrating to Zope. This site lists a bunch of CMS's, see the listings under Open Source:
I've had a great time with phpNuke: http://www.geek4.com/ I've spent some time customizing it, but even without that time it's an excellent package. -Marc (ok, maybe this was just a shameless plug for my site instead of a useful response!) On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Stephen C. Daukas wrote:
I'm posing this question becuase I'm betting some on this list have ventured down the path before me...
I'm looking to avoid having to keep up on the latest and greatest web development stuff just to have a useful an interesting site. So, I'm looking for something like phpnuke to convert over to. I am aware of phpnuke, and other similar packages out there. I'm planning on downloading nuke to see what it can and can't do...
I wouldn't mind having control over things providing I have the time, but am to the point where I do not want ot have to write code every time I get an idea. I already have a job...
So, anyone have a favorite tool, collection of tools, etc., that they would recommend for a person site that supports logins, discussion threads, etc.?
Steve
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But, how much can you change things around without having to re-write all the php? I think it is pretty easy to spot a phpnuke-based site.... Or, is it just easy to spot a phpnuke-based site that hasn't been customized? Then again, I'm willing to live with some of the look-and-feel limitations if it really is easy to get going... How long did it take you to get going? Steve mhughes@wpidalamar.com wrote:
I've had a great time with phpNuke:
I've spent some time customizing it, but even without that time it's an excellent package.
-Marc
(ok, maybe this was just a shameless plug for my site instead of a useful response!)
Well ... I changed how things work, so I did tinker with the php a lot. But there is a whole theme-system that's pretty in-depth. If you're willing to make a new theme, you can drastically change how things look. Of course most people don't do that and just pick a default theme, so they all look similar. Without working on it, I'm not sure how non-standard you can get for any CMS system. Any installation of a CMS will look like that CMS unless work is done to prevent that. -Marc On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Stephen C. Daukas wrote:
But, how much can you change things around without having to re-write all the php? I think it is pretty easy to spot a phpnuke-based site.... Or, is it just easy to spot a phpnuke-based site that hasn't been customized?
Then again, I'm willing to live with some of the look-and-feel limitations if it really is easy to get going... How long did it take you to get going?
Steve
mhughes@wpidalamar.com wrote:
I've had a great time with phpNuke:
I've spent some time customizing it, but even without that time it's an excellent package.
-Marc
(ok, maybe this was just a shameless plug for my site instead of a useful response!)
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That sounds par for the course... It also suggests a two-step approach for nuke: 1. use the default settings to get up and going fairly quickly, and then 2. spend some time looking under the hood and making the changes that both time and desire allow... I guess the only way to really know is to download it! Steve -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of mhughes@wpidalamar.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 12:20 PM To: wlug@mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] A bit off topic - phpnuke et al. Well ... I changed how things work, so I did tinker with the php a lot. But there is a whole theme-system that's pretty in-depth. If you're willing to make a new theme, you can drastically change how things look. Of course most people don't do that and just pick a default theme, so they all look similar. Without working on it, I'm not sure how non-standard you can get for any CMS system. Any installation of a CMS will look like that CMS unless work is done to prevent that. -Marc On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Stephen C. Daukas wrote:
But, how much can you change things around without having to re-write all the php? I think it is pretty easy to spot a phpnuke-based site.... Or, is it just easy to spot a phpnuke-based site that hasn't been customized
Then again, I'm willing to live with some of the look-and-feel limitations if it really is easy to get going... How long did it take
you to get going?
Steve
mhughes@wpidalamar.com wrote:
I've had a great time with phpNuke:
I've spent some time customizing it, but even without that time it's an excellent package.
-Marc
(ok, maybe this was just a shameless plug for my site instead of a useful response!)
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By way of FYI... In all of my digging, I have found a fair bit of information regarding phpnuke, most of it bad. Forgetting about robustness of code and security issues, it would seem that many of the folks involved with phpnuke left in protest to form postnuke. The few email conversations I have had indicate three issues with phpnuke: 1. The person responsible began representing the contributing developers code as his own. This caused susch a stir that the contributing developers went to the mandrake CEO to force the issue of giving credit to the developers. (Apparently mandrake has a hand in this in some way that isn't clear to me.) As a result, the word on the street is that development on phpnuke has dwindled... 2. Really bad security holes. Examples include chmod everything to 777 in the n-1 version, to security scripts being easily hacked (and owned by user nobody), to certain pages being endowed with super-user priveledges - all you had to do was enter the URL and you were in. Some claim phpnuke is fixed, others claim there are still major problems... My recent experiences with phpnuke where I work suggest the criticism is valid. 3. The last issue is a bit fuzzy. There are those who were reportedly involved with the development of phpnuke who claim that the "author" has "interesting ideas" about GPL and, according to them, believe that phpnuke in the future may no loger remain GPL. So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig continues... ;-) Steve
Stephen C. Daukas wrote:
By way of FYI... In all of my digging, I have found a fair bit of information regarding phpnuke, most of it bad.
<snip>
So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig continues... ;-)
FWIW, I started off with postnuke after reading similar experiences. This was a while ago but I was not impressed with it. I "fell back" to phpnuke and, while I am not very impressed with it either, it does the job. So it sounds like Zope requires quite a bit of programming just to get running? Or is there a default setup that offers most of what people need in a basic CMS? BR
If you are looking for a basic CMS you can check out Plone. It is a product that is installed in Zope and offers some very rich functionality "out of the box" There is also a large community that has written products for various speciallized needs. You will find bloggers, bugtrackers, polling products and many utilities that are available for implementation into your site. For more info go to www.zope.org www.plone.org I'll get off my soapbox now :)) --mike On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 11:14, Brett Russ wrote:
Stephen C. Daukas wrote:
By way of FYI... In all of my digging, I have found a fair bit of information regarding phpnuke, most of it bad.
<snip>
So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig continues... ;-)
FWIW, I started off with postnuke after reading similar experiences. This was a while ago but I was not impressed with it. I "fell back" to phpnuke and, while I am not very impressed with it either, it does the job.
So it sounds like Zope requires quite a bit of programming just to get running? Or is there a default setup that offers most of what people need in a basic CMS?
BR
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Basically, it looks as though none of the "free" CMS software applications are actually turn-key out-of-the-box. Some offer a better base to work from than others, but everyhting I have seen in the last week or so has convinced me that you have to get under the hood in some way for some reason. Not that I'm done digging, but it looks like no matter which way you choose to go, you will have to do two things: 1. Write some of your own code, and 2: Gain some pretty intimate understanding of how the chosen system actually works so you can accomplish #1. If my guess is correct, I'll end up using Perl, PhP, mySQL, and probably WML on running on Linux/Apache. ;-) I am hoping to start with a project already out there and go from there... But I'll be digging around for a little while longer... Steve Brett Russ wrote:
Stephen C. Daukas wrote:
By way of FYI... In all of my digging, I have found a fair bit of information regarding phpnuke, most of it bad.
<snip>
So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig continues... ;-)
FWIW, I started off with postnuke after reading similar experiences. This was a while ago but I was not impressed with it. I "fell back" to phpnuke and, while I am not very impressed with it either, it does the job.
So it sounds like Zope requires quite a bit of programming just to get running? Or is there a default setup that offers most of what people need in a basic CMS?
BR
There is some weirdness with GPL'ness of the project.. Lawmeme got dinged by phpnuke a while back... unfortunatly I can't seem to connect to them right now. here's an article that references it ... http://news.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2375 Basically phpnuke has a copyright notice it outputs to every single request. The phpNuke author says you MUST keep this in. The GPL has a provision that hints at this, but doesn't really seem to fit to me. It's all a bit whacky, and doesn't seem to me to be what the GPL is all about. -Marc On Thu, 1 May 2003, Stephen C. Daukas wrote:
3. The last issue is a bit fuzzy. There are those who were reportedly involved with the development of phpnuke who claim that the "author" has "interesting ideas" about GPL and, according to them, believe that phpnuke in the future may no loger remain GPL.
So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig continues... ;-)
Steve
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