Ummm, To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to get all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't want .net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved an e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN PASSPORT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend when I recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up for passport! ?!@#!!!@ And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl? Wes
And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl?
SpeakEasy.net is the _only_ way to go with DSL, and I'm sure if you search the WLUG mail archives you'll come up with a dozen mentions of it (a company with a clue, real services like static IPs, encouraging servers, extremely reliable service, and so on). I'll leave it at that. =) Brian J. Conway bconway@wpi.edu "I don't think Microsoft is evil in itself. I just think that they make really crappy operating systems." - Linus Torvalds
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:33:16PM -0500, Brian J. Conway wrote:
And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl?
SpeakEasy.net is the _only_ way to go with DSL, and I'm sure if you search the WLUG mail archives you'll come up with a dozen mentions of it (a company with a clue, real services like static IPs, encouraging servers, extremely reliable service, and so on). I'll leave it at that. =)
Ditto. Decent pricing, full bandwidth, rock solid reliability, great online interface. The only complaint I have about speakeasy is that I couldn't afford them sooner =) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | Sam: What's going on, Normie? Norm: My birthday, Sammy. Give me a beer, stick a candle in it, and I'll blow out my liver. -- Cheers, Where Have All the Floorboards Gone
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Frank Sweetser wrote:
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:33:16PM -0500, Brian J. Conway wrote:
And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl?
SpeakEasy.net is the _only_ way to go with DSL, and I'm sure if you search the WLUG mail archives you'll come up with a dozen mentions of it (a company with a clue, real services like static IPs, encouraging servers, extremely reliable service, and so on). I'll leave it at that. =)
Ditto. Decent pricing, full bandwidth, rock solid reliability, great online interface. The only complaint I have about speakeasy is that I couldn't afford them sooner =)
-- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18
I'll agree. My 384K SDSL is unbeatable. Plenty of packages to choose from too.... Getting the picture yet? :-) Phil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Phil Deneault "We work in the dark, We do what we can, deneault@wpi.edu We give what we have. Our doubt is our passion, WPI NetOps and our passion is our task. The rest is the OpenVMS Guy maddness of art." - Henry James -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I'll chime in for Speakeasy too. I've got 384/128 and it's great. I consistantly get ~40KB down and close to 30KB up, 4 static IP addresses, and amazing reliability. Scott
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:59:08PM -0500, Scott Venier wrote:
I'll chime in for Speakeasy too. I've got 384/128 and it's great. I consistantly get ~40KB down and close to 30KB up, 4 static IP addresses, and amazing reliability.
That's pretty amazing -- 128kbit = 16KByte, so getting 30KB up is very good! :) -- Theo, now using a cable modem in the new apartment, waiting for next month when he can finally order SpeakEasy for the place ...
Would you expect otherwise from a company owned by the the co-founder of Microsoft and it's 2nd largest shareholder? On 18 Mar 2002 20:14:14 -0500 Wesley Allen <wallen@charter.net> wrote:
Ummm, To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to get all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't want .net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved an e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN PASSPORT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend when I recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up for passport!
?!@#!!!@
And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl?
Wes
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Every time I try to get out they KEEP pulling me BACK IN.....arrrghhhhh! On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 21:16, Clint Moyer wrote:
Would you expect otherwise from a company owned by the the co-founder of Microsoft and it's 2nd largest shareholder?
On 18 Mar 2002 20:14:14 -0500 Wesley Allen <wallen@charter.net> wrote:
Ummm, To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to get all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't want .net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved an e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN PASSPORT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend when I recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up for passport!
?!@#!!!@
And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl?
Wes
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I have Charter as well but do not recall getting a message welcoming me to .NET. As a matter of fact I did not realize that they became an MSN parther. That may be because I automatically delete any email that has HTML in the body. How do I go about finding out if I have been subscribed... If only dsl was available at my address :( Mike On Monday 18 March 2002 20:14, you wrote:
Ummm, To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to get all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't want .net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved an e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN PASSPORT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend when I recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up for passport!
?!@#!!!@
And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl?
Wes
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I want speakeasy. But it's $14 bucks out of my range, I'm already stretching it with charter......I do some side work at a webmaster for reimbursments and stuff....I wonder.......hmmmm....... Wes Mike Long wrote:
I have Charter as well but do not recall getting a message welcoming me to .NET. As a matter of fact I did not realize that they became an MSN parther. That may be because I automatically delete any email that has HTML in the body. How do I go about finding out if I have been subscribed...
If only dsl was available at my address :(
Mike
On Monday 18 March 2002 20:14, you wrote:
Ummm, To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to get all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't want .net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved an e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN PASSPORT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend when I recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up for passport!
?!@#!!!@
And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl?
Wes
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On Monday 18 March 2002 20:14, you wrote:
Ummm, To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to get all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't want .net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved an e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN PASSPORT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend when I recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up for passport!
?!@#!!!@
And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl?
Wes
I hate to appear dumb but what does this mean to us using Linux, how would this effect us? I am not familiar with MSN Passport so I not sure what the effect will be. John "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." -- Robert Frost
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:07:44PM -0500, John Murphy wrote:
I hate to appear dumb but what does this mean to us using Linux, how would this effect us? I am not familiar with MSN Passport so I not sure what the effect will be.
I'm totally ignorant of the issue, but I'll answer anyway. I think the issue is that Charter passed on Wes's personal information (Name, address, and credit card or other payment info) onto Microsoft, so MS can increase their "enrollment" numbers. (The raw "number of clients" stuff looks really good for stock price, etc...) Although it's probably allowed in Charter's contract terms that no one reads, it's a really mean thing to do. I'm not familiar with the exact manner that passport manages security, (I'm sure it's stellar, given Microsoft's record) but a possibly more important issue is that now his payment info is at most as secure as the NET service itself. If someone manages to intercept an "I forgot my password" email, then they can spend his money at will. Yeah, there are a lot of reasons to not like this. Of course someone who actually uses the damn thing could probably tell us if it would be that easy to obtain his password. Anyone here a passport user? (And willing to admit it?) -Chuck
I haven't seen anything from Charter on this via snail mail myself, and I don't even use their email servers either, so maybe I'm signed up and not realizing it. So how do we check easily? John
It was all done via e-mail; so call up or access your e-mail account that you have with them... Someone wrote that the real reason that I am upset is that my "account" is now being used to inflate .net's user stats. That hit the nail on the head; what right do they have to use my account to puff up their numbers. I don't use their cruddy services! Wes John Stoffel wrote:
I haven't seen anything from Charter on this via snail mail myself, and I don't even use their email servers either, so maybe I'm signed up and not realizing it.
So how do we check easily?
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Hi John Stoffel wrote:
So how do we check easily?
I went to Charter's web site http://www.chartercom.com/ourstory/ourstory.asp and found a "Rules and Policies" link which took me to http://www.chartercom.com/site/rules.asp where they try to spell everything out. I could not see where passing your info onto Microslop clearly fitted in :-) I did find "Charter requests certain personal information at the time you subscribe to Charter Pipeline. Charter requests your name, address, telephone number and e-mail address. The personal information is used to manage your account for billing purposes. It is not shared with a third party, except in very limited circumstances such as is required by law or in order to enhance your service experience." Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would *HAVE* to enhance your service experience! Incidentally, I also found "Click to find out more about Paul Allen's Wired World (TM) just above that "Rules and Policies" link so Charter and Micro$oft seem to be in bed together :-) Life is full of surprises! doug
On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:58, you wrote:
Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would *HAVE* to enhance your service experience!
Incidentally, I also found "Click to find out more about Paul Allen's Wired World (TM) just above that "Rules and Policies" link so Charter and Micro$oft seem to be in bed together :-) Life is full of surprises!
doug
I had known Paul Allen was a partner in Charter Cable. Was surprised when I read back over a year ago that earthlink had formed a partnership with Charter Communications. Actually I was orginally on Earthlink before I switched to Charter Cable. After I had Charter installed I called Earthlink to cancel my account, they said there was no need to. They said I could be connected to Charter Cable but still maintain my billing with Earthlink. At that time Charter in Worcester had just come online a few days. They did not have my area of Worcester on Earthlink's list yet. Rather then getting caught up between the two I just cancelled Earthlink. Now I don't know if Earthlkink supplies the actual network for Charter? Or something else might envolved? John -- "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." -- Robert Frost
At 12:24 PM 3/20/2002, John wrote:
On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:58, Doug wrote:
Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would *HAVE* to enhance your service experience!
[...snip...}
Now I don't know if Earthlkink supplies the actual network for Charter? Or something else might envolved?
Clearly, it is time for WLUG to get into the CLEC business and establish a co-op DSL for all its members in central Mass! I think it would be a fine way to spend all that WLUG surplus money. ;-) Steve
Actually, even if you were joking about this, I think this would be a WONDERFUL idea. I know that when I move off campus I would like to find a good ISP and especially one that supports linux. On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 12:55, Stephen C. Daukas wrote:
At 12:24 PM 3/20/2002, John wrote:
On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:58, Doug wrote:
Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would *HAVE* to enhance your service experience!
[...snip...}
Now I don't know if Earthlkink supplies the actual network for Charter? Or something else might envolved?
Clearly, it is time for WLUG to get into the CLEC business and establish a co-op DSL for all its members in central Mass! I think it would be a fine way to spend all that WLUG surplus money.
;-)
Steve
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Actually, even if you were joking about this, I think this would be a WONDERFUL idea. I know that when I move off campus I would like to find a good ISP and especially one that supports linux.
Which brings us back once again to everyone's favorite SpeakEasy. Game over. -b
Good grief, What a GREAT idea! How on earth could it be implemented? Wes On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:55:04 -0500 "Stephen C. Daukas" <stephen@daukas.com> wrote:
At 12:24 PM 3/20/2002, John wrote:
On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:58, Doug wrote:
Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would *HAVE* to enhance your service experience!
[...snip...}
Now I don't know if Earthlkink supplies the actual network for Charter? Or something else might envolved?
Clearly, it is time for WLUG to get into the CLEC business and establish a co-op DSL for all its members in central Mass! I think it would be a fine way to spend all that WLUG surplus money.
;-)
Steve
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Hi all "Stephen C. Daukas" wrote:
Clearly, it is time for WLUG to get into the CLEC business and establish a co-op DSL for all its members in central Mass! I think it would be a fine way to spend all that WLUG surplus money.
I thought "What a dumb idea!". The money is not the issue. Think of all the work involved --- interfacing with the phone company, regulatory agencies etc. etc. And then I realized you were volunteering and I felt warm all over! :-) doug
On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:02:38PM -0500, doug waud wrote: douglas.waud> I thought "What a dumb idea!". The money is not the issue. Think of all douglas.waud> the work involved --- interfacing with the phone company, regulatory douglas.waud> agencies etc. etc. Everyone buy a DSL modem, and we'll all get alarm circuits from the phone company :) (sometimes called banana lines--basically a dry copper pair from one location to another). Who needs regulations anyway? Let's not forget about 802.11b, either. I've been saving up my Pringles cans :) -- Charles R. Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886
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