NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!
Hey Everybody, THERE IS NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT. We will be having a meeting next week. Join the signal chat for more details. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".
how does one join the signal chat?
On Nov 13, 2025, at 11:39 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Hey Everybody,
THERE IS NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT.
We will be having a meeting next week. Join the signal chat for more details. Thanks, Tim.
-- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JL4JV2...
"steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG only or can we put details onto the web page?
how does one join the signal chat?
On Nov 13, 2025, at 11:39 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Hey Everybody,
THERE IS NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT.
We will be having a meeting next week. Join the signal chat for more details. Thanks, Tim.
-- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JL4JV2...
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Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A steve--- via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes: how does one join the signal chat?
I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't need to, since somebody had already asked it. John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG only or can we put details onto the web page?
But now two people have asked and nobody answered. So: How is it done? Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War got in trouble for using? ---------- Evan White via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of Git commit organization, ... , etc.
It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of your own project? ---------- Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Topic: National Right to Repair day Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG.
Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11.
I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an old computer. Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". People seemed to agree that that was about right. Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? Are BIOS passwords a problem? -- Keith
I missed the original message about it even though it’s in my mailbox. I forwarded it to the list. And I do recall getting a reply to my message about joining but I cannot find it. Hopefully though the link in the forward works?
On Dec 10, 2025, at 10:34 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A
steve--- via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
how does one join the signal chat?
I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't need to, since somebody had already asked it.
John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG only or can we put details onto the web page?
But now two people have asked and nobody answered.
So: How is it done?
Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War got in trouble for using?
----------
Evan White via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of Git commit organization, ... , etc.
It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of your own project?
----------
Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Topic: National Right to Repair day Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG.
Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11.
I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an old computer.
Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". People seemed to agree that that was about right. Now I ask: Can I get a root shell?
Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden?
I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine?
Are BIOS passwords a problem?
-- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QGC2ZZ...
Here is the link to the signal channel! https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAKK... Thanks, Tim. I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". On Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 5:48 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
I missed the original message about it even though it’s in my mailbox. I forwarded it to the list. And I do recall getting a reply to my message about joining but I cannot find it. Hopefully though the link in the forward works?
On Dec 10, 2025, at 10:34 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A
steve--- via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
how does one join the signal chat?
I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't need to, since somebody had already asked it.
John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG only or can we put details onto the web page?
But now two people have asked and nobody answered.
So: How is it done?
Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War got in trouble for using?
----------
Evan White via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of Git commit organization, ... , etc.
It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of your own project?
----------
Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Topic: National Right to Repair day Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG.
Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11.
I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an old computer.
Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". People seemed to agree that that was about right. Now I ask: Can I get a root shell?
Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden?
I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine?
Are BIOS passwords a problem?
-- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QGC2ZZ...
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It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of your own project?
I have used git for solo projects or those in a group or organization. Jujutsu effectively extended the capabilities of Git to allow me to handcraft the recent version history, for the sake of better organization for myself, or making it easier for others to review. This is especially important now that algorithms (Claude, etc.) are writing a lot of my revisions. I need to be able to, e.g. combine a messy log of changes made in separate revisions during experimentation, and split it up into a clean and well-reviewed series of revisions. Once some revisions get pushed to the trunk, they become 'immutable' in Jujutsu, so nobody can go rewriting the history of the trunk. All of this was already possible in Git, and many Git power users suffered the roundabout way of doing these things. Jujutsu made it straightforward by removing the working tree and staging area of git, such that you are always editing a revision that is synchronized continuously with the filesystem, and allowing arbitrary revisions to be directly operated on with a rich set of tools.
Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden?
In Android, there are third-party facilities to give root access to apps, and one of those apps could be a terminal. Termux is one such app that is like a container without root which uses Debian packaging in it (Android is not natively capable of it). Termux can elevate to root access over all of Android if your installation allows it. The Android ecosystem, its graphical shell, and its application paradigm are generally much different from the free & open Linux ecosystem. Most vendors (smartphone manufacturers, etc.) default install of Android do not allow root access to apps, and you usually need third-party modifications to access root, or an unlocked bootloader to install an open version of Android for that platform if one even exists.
Would it be easier to install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? Are BIOS passwords a problem?
That's a big issue, and it's even worse than a BIOS password; it's usually a fully locked bootloader. As far as I can tell, the smartphone ecosystem upon which Android is built was never really designed to be open and standardized like PCs were, and it was more profitable or "secure" for this to be the status quo. Since Windows machines are x86 PCs without locked bootloaders (at least for now), it will be much easier to install Debian with root on them. Android can permit you to use a Debian-like environment in a container app like Termux. Some manufacturers are making Linux-friendly smartphones, but if you're weighing the options between Android and Windows, I assume you are looking at small laptops. ________________________________ From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2025 10:32 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug@lists.wlug.org> Cc: Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> Subject: [WLUG] WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!
Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A steve--- via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes: how does one join the signal chat?
I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't need to, since somebody had already asked it. John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG only or can we put details onto the web page?
But now two people have asked and nobody answered. So: How is it done? Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War got in trouble for using? ---------- Evan White via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of Git commit organization, ... , etc.
It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of your own project? ---------- Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Topic: National Right to Repair day Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG.
Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11.
I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an old computer. Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". People seemed to agree that that was about right. Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? Are BIOS passwords a problem? -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QGC2ZZ...
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