Hey all, Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home! Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too. I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/) - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/) - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like: https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png Or you can join the room I made: https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: #wlug:matrix.org Any thoughts? -Josh
We also have an IRC channel: http://www.wlug.org/participate.html Internet Relay Chat Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/ - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like:
https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
-Josh
I think IRC would've been a great choice about a decade ago, but it seems to have fallen out of favor as newer chat services have been added. It's less that IRC is old per se, rather virtually nothing has been done to improve the UX. IRC has some very unique problems where you have to actively configure something as simple as the port number to connect with and whether to enable TLS while other services have standardized on this long ago so users don't have to think about that. I remember when IRC was very popular among the communities I frequented years ago, but outside of FOSS projects many of these channels are now dead because people have moved onto Discord, Matrix, Telegram, etc. I think part of this can also be attributed to the advent of mobile, as IRC clients are usually painful on a phone where you have to type commands on a touchscreen. I also have found IRC to be blocked on some networks, while Matrix served over HTTPS is very firewall-friendly. As of 2020, there are still many features that're missing because IRC essentially pushes implementation onto the client and/or need a bouncer to get features you'd get for free in other services. You practically need a personal cloud if you want to be able to have persistent chat history and/or avoid flooding a channel with disconnect messages especially if you're on a mobile device that can't maintain an active connection at all times. You also need a bot if you want any kind of features like link previews. -Josh On Fri, 2020-01-10 at 21:07 +0000, Anderson, Charles R via WLUG wrote:
We also have an IRC channel:
http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
Internet Relay Chat
Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser
but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/ - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like:
https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
-Josh
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"joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG" <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
I think IRC would've been a great choice about a decade ago,
I used IRC once; it worked. I have no idea what Discord, Matrix, Telegram, etc. are. Do they interoperate? Are they open standards? RFC-NNNN?
IRC essentially pushes implementation onto the client and/or need a bouncer to get features you'd get for free in other services.
I think you just said that all of it is run from a central "server" that is under control of ???
You practically need a personal cloud
Personal computer should suffice. Unless mistakes were made.
especially if you're on a mobile device that can't maintain an active connection at all times. You also need a bot if you want any kind of features like link previews.
OK. Carry on. I am happy without bot chats. -- Keith
I've seen some Discord servers that incorporate integration between Telegram and Matrix (the openSUSE server comes to mind), but it is a labour of love and not anything built into the platforms themselves. They're really just fancy bot-hacks to make it look like certain people are talking. Matrix is the most open of the three, as it allows self-hosting and has "bridge" integration as a major feature (the aforementioned openSUSE example is one such integration). From what I can tell, Matrix is really just the answer to the privatization of chat we see from companies like Slack and Discord (which are both highly, highly successful, especially with us youngings). I don't know of anyone who uses it full time, other than Linux folks (but hey, I guess that's what this mailing list is for :) ) I've had some nice success with IRCCloud if I want a persistent connection on a mobile device, but it's not perfect (and is not free for > 2h connections). I've resorted to some of the more classic methods of using bouncers like ZNC for persistent IRC connections. ________________________________ From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 7:13 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug@lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug@lists.wlug.org <wlug@lists.wlug.org>; Anderson, Charles R <cra@wpi.edu>; joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com <joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com>; Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG "joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG" <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
I think IRC would've been a great choice about a decade ago,
I used IRC once; it worked. I have no idea what Discord, Matrix, Telegram, etc. are. Do they interoperate? Are they open standards? RFC-NNNN?
IRC essentially pushes implementation onto the client and/or need a bouncer to get features you'd get for free in other services.
I think you just said that all of it is run from a central "server" that is under control of ???
You practically need a personal cloud
Personal computer should suffice. Unless mistakes were made.
especially if you're on a mobile device that can't maintain an active connection at all times. You also need a bot if you want any kind of features like link previews.
OK. Carry on. I am happy without bot chats. -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org
I used IRC once; it worked. I have no idea what Discord, Matrix, Telegram, etc. are. Do they interoperate? Are they open standards? RFC-NNNN?
Discord and Telegram very closed actually (outright malicious at times where they can ban anyone who tries to implement a third-party client), but they're very popular because most people -- even FOSS developers -- favor a polished experience so they can spend more time interacting with users than troubleshooting technical problems. That being said, I'd lean more toward Matrix because it is an open standard (no official RFC as far as I'm aware), with all source code being available along with protocol documentation: https://github.com/matrix-org https://matrix.org/docs/spec/ It's one of the few protocols built with federation in mind, so a user can log into one server and communicate with other on a different server, not unlike email. It's also more robust than what IRC networks do for load balancing of user traffic where a room can experience a netsplit if a server goes down.
I think you just said that all of it is run from a central "server" that is under control of ???
In the case Matrix, you have the option of running your own server (reference server located at https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse), or you can use the official matrix.org server which is run by the same developers. One of the nice things about Matrix is that you have all of these choices for server hosting and clients like on IRC.
Personal computer should suffice. Unless mistakes were made.
That's actually what I mean by a personal cloud -- if you need to configure a bouncer for a feature like persistent history, then that means you need at least one computer to designate for said bouncer, and you need to configure your firewall at home if you want to be able to connect to it from a public hotspot. Far from ideal, and can leave you exposed if you're not careful (Do we also want to set up a VPN to hide our IP address, use fail2ban in case a malicious party tries to DDOS us? etc, etc, etc). Far too much work to be placed on individuals who'd rather just chat.
OK. Carry on. I am happy without bot chats.
I'm also happy about not having to rely on bots! - Josh On Fri, 2020-01-10 at 19:13 -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote:
"joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG" <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
I think IRC would've been a great choice about a decade ago,
I used IRC once; it worked. I have no idea what Discord, Matrix, Telegram, etc. are. Do they interoperate? Are they open standards? RFC-NNNN?
IRC essentially pushes implementation onto the client and/or need a bouncer to get features you'd get for free in other services.
I think you just said that all of it is run from a central "server" that is under control of ???
You practically need a personal cloud
Personal computer should suffice. Unless mistakes were made.
especially if you're on a mobile device that can't maintain an active connection at all times. You also need a bot if you want any kind of features like link previews.
OK. Carry on. I am happy without bot chats.
-- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org
I use IRC from time to time on other channels, averaging about once a week. I peer into the WLUG channel from time to time. I will make "noise" in the future when there. On 1/10/20 4:07 PM, Anderson, Charles R via WLUG wrote:
We also have an IRC channel:
http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
Internet Relay Chat
Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser
but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/ - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like:
https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
-Josh
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This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack channel as well maybe. Tim. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
We also have an IRC channel:
http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
Internet Relay Chat
Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser
but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/ - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like:
https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
-Josh
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-- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".
Tim, Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston: https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&userF... I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should improve this. I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the Rust language Slack server for example: https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/ - Send an invite link to your email- Register with a name and password- Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications- Open the #general channel And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new chat. Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when comparing frequency of posts on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance... -Josh On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack channel as well maybe.
Tim.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
We also have an IRC channel:
http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
Internet Relay Chat
Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net
Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma.
See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser
but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to
Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general
activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a
meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and
getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat
format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet,
especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord
servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes
generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before
Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve
participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it
has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web (
- Persistent chat history
- Link previews
- Various bots to choose from for adding functionality (
- User moderation
- Server federation
- Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS
- File sharing
- Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room
would look like:
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
-Josh
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I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the next WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool! I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to me that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on youtube, well at least the ones with a definite presenter. Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something that people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to take video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable. Tim. On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim,
Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston:
https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&userF...
I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should improve this.
I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the Rust language Slack server for example:
https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/
- Send an invite link to your email - Register with a name and password - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications - Open the #general channel
And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new chat.
Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv
I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when comparing frequency of posts on Reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance...
-Josh
On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like.
The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack channel as well maybe.
Tim.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
We also have an IRC channel:
http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
Internet Relay Chat
Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser
but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/ - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like:
https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
-Josh
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That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for itself. I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to use. We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the screencast. -Josh On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 13:51 Tim Keller <turbofx@gmail.com> wrote:
I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the next WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool!
I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to me that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on youtube, well at least the ones with a definite presenter.
Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something that people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to take video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable.
Tim.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim,
Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston:
https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&userF...
I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should improve this.
I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the Rust language Slack server for example:
https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/
- Send an invite link to your email - Register with a name and password - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications - Open the #general channel
And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new chat.
Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv
I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when comparing frequency of posts on Reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance...
-Josh
On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like.
The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack channel as well maybe.
Tim.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
We also have an IRC channel:
http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
Internet Relay Chat
Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser
but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/ - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like:
https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
-Josh
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The presenter's computer could be screencast onto the video stream by using Open Broadcast Studio (OBS). We had a presentation on OBS awhile back. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:11:19PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for itself.
I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to use.
We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the screencast.
-Josh
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 13:51 Tim Keller <turbofx@gmail.com> wrote:
I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the next WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool!
I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to me that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on youtube, well at least the ones with a definite presenter.
Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something that people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to take video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable.
Tim.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim,
Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston:
https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&userF...
I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should improve this.
I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the Rust language Slack server for example:
https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/
- Send an invite link to your email - Register with a name and password - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications - Open the #general channel
And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new chat.
Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv
I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when comparing frequency of posts on Reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance...
-Josh
On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like.
The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack channel as well maybe.
Tim.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
We also have an IRC channel:
http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
Internet Relay Chat
Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser
but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/ - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like:
https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
Chuck, It would appear great (okay, marginal) minds think alike! Tim. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 4:19 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
The presenter's computer could be screencast onto the video stream by using Open Broadcast Studio (OBS). We had a presentation on OBS awhile back.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:11:19PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for itself.
I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to use.
We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the screencast.
-Josh
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 13:51 Tim Keller <turbofx@gmail.com> wrote:
I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the next WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool!
I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to me that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on youtube, well at least the ones with a definite presenter.
Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something that people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to take video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable.
Tim.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim,
Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston:
https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&userF...
I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS",
"Android",
"Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should improve this.
I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the Rust language Slack server for example:
https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/
- Send an invite link to your email - Register with a name and password - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications - Open the #general channel
And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new chat.
Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv
I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when comparing frequency of posts on Reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance...
-Josh
On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like.
The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial
to
the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack channel as well maybe.
Tim.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
We also have an IRC channel:
http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
Internet Relay Chat
Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser
but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/ - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like:
https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
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Actually my thinking was to use something like OBS (open broadcast studio, which we've done a talk about in the past) and actually do that.. Capture the output from their machine, plus the audio and a headshot. At this point, it's an idea. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 4:11 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com> wrote:
That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for itself.
I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to use.
We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the screencast.
-Josh
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 13:51 Tim Keller <turbofx@gmail.com> wrote:
I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the next WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool!
I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to me that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on youtube, well at least the ones with a definite presenter.
Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something that people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to take video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable.
Tim.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim,
Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston:
https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&userF...
I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should improve this.
I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the Rust language Slack server for example:
https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/
- Send an invite link to your email - Register with a name and password - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications - Open the #general channel
And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new chat.
Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv
I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when comparing frequency of posts on Reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance...
-Josh
On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like.
The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack channel as well maybe.
Tim.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
We also have an IRC channel:
http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
Internet Relay Chat
Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser
but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
Hey all,
Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home!
Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too.
I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/ - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like:
https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
Or you can join the room I made:
https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
#wlug:matrix.org
Any thoughts?
-Josh
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-- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".
-- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".
BLU has 2 cameras recording the presentations plus an additional audio recording. Granted when I gave a presentation, the stream on youtube cut out after 20 mins and it has never been replaced with any other recording so I'm not sure how helpful the additional recording are. (I posted a comment on the video with the presentation link but I don't see it now. Not sure why that is.) On Wed, 2020-01-15 at 16:11 -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for itself.
I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to use.
We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the screencast.
-Josh
-- Dennis Payne dulsi@identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi
I know from BLU that it is a TON of work to do this. Video needs to be edited/cut together/combined with audio/etc. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:44:04PM -0500, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote:
BLU has 2 cameras recording the presentations plus an additional audio recording. Granted when I gave a presentation, the stream on youtube cut out after 20 mins and it has never been replaced with any other recording so I'm not sure how helpful the additional recording are. (I posted a comment on the video with the presentation link but I don't see it now. Not sure why that is.) On Wed, 2020-01-15 at 16:11 -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for itself.
I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to use.
We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the screencast.
-Josh
Good point. My hope is that it might be a bit more of a live stream / rough cut that ends up getting put on youtube. I moonlight as a sysadmin for a film company and I see what goes into editing movies... Once you need to start syncing and splicing the professionals can do it "quick" but it still takes hours to get minutes of video out. I'd be happy with a camera, a lav mike and a screen cap feed into a static OBS profile dumped to disk and then uploaded to youtube with some simple trimming at each end. Tim. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 5:08 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
I know from BLU that it is a TON of work to do this. Video needs to be edited/cut together/combined with audio/etc.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:44:04PM -0500, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote:
BLU has 2 cameras recording the presentations plus an additional audio recording. Granted when I gave a presentation, the stream on youtube cut out after 20 mins and it has never been replaced with any other recording so I'm not sure how helpful the additional recording are. (I posted a comment on the video with the presentation link but I don't see it now. Not sure why that is.) On Wed, 2020-01-15 at 16:11 -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote:
That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for itself.
I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to use.
We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the screencast.
-Josh
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:03 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
- Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/) - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/) - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls
I've got some ideas in this area if anyone would like to work together on a project. I've got the start of a small private cloud, and I'm working on building infrastructure for hosting Diaspora/Friendica social networks anyways. Adding an additional technology could fit in pretty well.
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Dennis Payne -
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Krichevsky, Nicholas J. -
Tim Keller