okay. I'm sure that I'm not the only one that has been following the goings-on with respect to Red Hat (dropping the Personal Edition in favor of Fedora) and SuSE (being bought by Novell). I am looking for some honest advice here. I am NOT trying to start a flame war or a distro war. I will honestly take suggestions. I am running Aurora Linux on a Sun SPARCstation 10 (it's based on RH7.3) and RH9 on my laptop (Gateway Solo 9100) right now. I have been running Red Hat on my systems since 5.x. given what I have seen in the news, I think it is time to consider another distro, though. Here are my thoughts so far: I am feeling a bit underwhelmed with what i've been reading about Fedora from RH's website and from Aurora's list. I can't say with any level of certainty that I will stay and shift to Fedora. I will likely shift to another distro, though. I'm not considering Debian at the moment because I don't think that it moves quickly enough to keep up with updated stuff. Perhaps that is a flawed perception, but I don't look kindly on installing a baseline (from the CD) and spending a month of Sundays running apt-get to update everything. The last time i played with SuSE was around 1997 or 1998. I got the SuSE disc from CheapBytes so I could play with it. I liked the tools that it had (YaST was just getting ready to shift to YaST2, i think), but I didn't like the fact that many of the libraries were a couple versions behind what my favorite applications (of the day) wanted to find. I am actually favoring SuSE right now, if I can get what i need on CDs. (Andy, do you have any suggestions?) I cut my eye-teeth on Slackware back when Linux was still at 0.99pl10. My Dad sent me a box of floppies that had everything i'd need to get started. I had a blast! I don't know about Slackware now. I have not been following them (at all) since I shifted to RH all those years ago. Gentoo is not even being considered right now. My fastest system is a P2/400, and that is running Win98se. (My wife uses it to play the Sims. Games are all Win* is good for anyway.) My fastest *nix box is my laptop, and that's a P2/266. I don't have the time nor the resources to (re?)compile everything to suit my system. Given these thoughts, the Debian and Gentoo folk should understand that my opinions, as stated above, are open to change. Show me where i misunderstood, and i will thank you. :) I'm just looking for a Distro that will let me install my system with a minimum of pain, let me tweak where I want, when i want, and provides a neat way to keep things up to date (think security, etc.).... I've gotten used to the RPM system of archives, but I prefer tarballs. I have this "thing" about putting anything I add to the system in /usr/local .... :) Thanks for any advice. Best regards, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Bad Joke #2 -- Q: How many Real Men does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None. Real Men aren't afraid of the dark. * TAG! v3.1 *
Just a quick suggestion, but could you please re-insert the mail header for "Sender:" so it's easy to sort out WLUG email from other stuff? Thanks, John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel@lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548
On Thursday 06 November 2003 5:05 pm, John Stoffel wrote:
Just a quick suggestion, but could you please re-insert the mail header for "Sender:" so it's easy to sort out WLUG email from other stuff?
HI John, I see "Sender:" in my mail headers from the list, and it says "wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org". Am I looking at the right thing? For lists, I personally like to filter on "List-Id:" field of the mail header, but there's probably a zillion ways to accomplish this. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:26:02PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote:
On Thursday 06 November 2003 5:05 pm, John Stoffel wrote:
Just a quick suggestion, but could you please re-insert the mail header for "Sender:" so it's easy to sort out WLUG email from other stuff?
HI John,
I see "Sender:" in my mail headers from the list, and it says "wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org". Am I looking at the right thing?
For lists, I personally like to filter on "List-Id:" field of the mail header, but there's probably a zillion ways to accomplish this.
The envelope "From " header is *always* there, and indicates the list a message came through:
From wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org Thu Nov 6 17:27:19 2003
-- Charles R. Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886
"Charles R. Anderson" <cra@WPI.EDU> writes:
The envelope "From " header is *always* there, and indicates the list a message came through:
From wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org Thu Nov 6 17:27:19 2003
Not to be a pain in the ass, but the envelope information is not *always* there -- it's not even part of the message. Perhaps your mail is stored in an mbox-style mailbox, which uses the "From<space>" line as the message separators? (I use IMAP as a mail store, so these lines are not present) So, back to the original question. If you're filtering on a header, I would also tend to recommend the List-Id header. It seems as though mailman must haved changed the default envelope sender from listname-admin@... to listname-bounces@..., since a copule lists which I had filtering on the Sender header started showing up in my inbox. -- Josh Huber
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 06:01:49PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote:
Not to be a pain in the ass, but the envelope information is not *always* there -- it's not even part of the message.
Perhaps your mail is stored in an mbox-style mailbox, which uses the "From<space>" line as the message separators? (I use IMAP as a mail store, so these lines are not present)
For procmail, and perhaps other MTA/MDA-based filtering packages, it is always there, but you are right, it may not be available to e.g. pine filtering etc. depening on the format of the mail store. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886
In a post dated 06 November 2003, I asked the list about any recommendations for distros that I could consider (and any clarifications to any misconceptions I may have had), to replace RH9 on my laptop. I want it understood that I wasn't trolling for a flame war. I was honestly looking for opinions from the one place I thought I could find a wide variety of experiences. I've since narrowed my decision to Mandrake and SuSE. If anyone can shed some light on THESE, I would certainly appreciate it. My experience with Mandrake is limited (tried it ONCE), and my experience with SuSE is dated (by about six years). That having been said, I would like to throw my two cents in for John: Le Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:05:53 -0500, « "John Stoffel" <stoffel@lucent.com> » a écrit: JS> Just a quick suggestion, but could you please re-insert the mail JS> header for "Sender:" so it's easy to sort out WLUG email from other JS> stuff? Sylpheed Claws (my mail client of choice) allows many ways to filter messages. My filter for WLUG covers three different ways I have seen to tell a ML message from anything else. My filter for WLUG looks like this (broken to three lines from the original ONE line for clarity): to matchcase "wlug@wlug.org" | to matchcase "wlug@mail.wlug.org" | header "List-Id" matchcase "Worcester Linux Users Group" I hope this helps. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com No matter how bad the nosebleed, a tourniquet round the neck is a bad idea. * TAG! v3.1 *
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