RE: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!
I would be very interested in some security based presentations. I think setting up some boxes for "security" testing would be really cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:56 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better! HI everybody, I was a little disappointed at the turnout from the last WLUG meeting. We had 8 or 9 people show up, and while we did have a good time watching Scott and Doug get a couple of scanners working under Linux, it would have been alot more fun with more people in attendance. I believe this was the lowest attendance we've seen at a WLUG meeting in our 5.5 year history. :-( We discussed possible reasons for the low attendance at the Boynton over a few beers. One suggestion was that I should update the WLUG website to show what we have done at past meetings so people wouldn't think that nothing was accomplished. I've done that and will endeavor to keep that part of the WLUG website current (see "Past Meeting Information"). Another thought was that some people will only come to a meeting if the topic looks interesting to them, and if it is announced well in advance. I must admit to having been somewhat lax in that area lately. Therefore, in an attempt to remedy that (at least for this month), I'm putting out the call now for a speaker and a topic for the Dec. 12th meeting (its coming up fast!). I sent out a list of potential topics last month, but I know that there are a zilliion interesting things happening in the Linux world that could be discussed at a WLUG meeting. The meeting need not be discussion based, either! Although Kinnicutt Hall lends itself well to this type of meeting, we do have access to other rooms on campus. People have tossed out ideas such as these: o build a network for multiplayer Linux games o build a network to see if WLUG crackers can break into your system (not to destroy it, but to teach you what to fix to secure your system) o more live demos! The group exists to meet your needs, so please, state your needs! I can't arrange a meeting to your liking if I get no feedback on what you want to see at future WLUG meetings. More importantly, I'd like to see more and different people volunteer to do the presentations or to run a live demo. If you look back at the last year of WLUG meetings, you'll see the same names many times. While I'm *quite* happy that these folks continue to volunteer, I'd like to see others jump in also. Finally, if anybody has feedback regarding the last meeting and why it lacked attendees, please bring it up on the list so we can all discuss it. Without such candid discussions, WLUG cannot improve. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug@mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:46:45 -0500 "Haines, Charles Allen" <chaines@WPI.EDU> wrote: HCA> I would be very interested in some security based presentations. I HCA> think setting up some boxes for "security" testing would be really HCA> cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like HCA> to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. HCA> Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that HCA> other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. AYE AYE! :) i've been toying with getting WINE to work with Warcraft II, but although it's supposed to work, i can't seem to get it to do anything constructive. 8( as for the iptables, i know that it was done a little over a year ago, but maybe there could be a bit of an update session, to cover anything that has changed since then... for example, i was looking at a guide to using the iproute2 suite, and i think there are a lot of things that i need to learn. again. <g> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Never to be credited when telling the truth." -- Aristotle, when he was asked what a man gains by telling a lie. * TAG! v3.1 *
Folks, William Smith (WS) wrote: Charles Allen (HCA) wrote:
HCA> cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like HCA> to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. HCA> Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that HCA> other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine.
WS> AYE AYE! :)
WS> as for the iptables, i know that it was done a little over a year ago, WS> but maybe there could be a bit of an update session, to cover anything WS> that has changed since then... for example, i was looking at WS> a guide to WS> using the iproute2 suite, and i think there are a lot of things that i WS> need to learn. again. <g>
I'm also interested in security and IP Tables. My system has a local network and a cable modem, and with previous versions of Mandrake, they had a wizard to setup netfilter. The 9.0 release dropped the wizard and included a shorewall package. The documentation was not great, but I think I understand it well enough to modify the config files as needed. And I like the package a lot. --Skip
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:56:59 -0500 "Skip Gaede" <sgaede@attbi.com> wrote: SG> I'm also interested in security and IP Tables. My system has a local SG> network and a cable modem, and with previous versions of Mandrake, SG> they had a wizard to setup netfilter. The 9.0 release dropped the SG> wizard and included a shorewall package. The documentation was not SG> great, but I think I understand it well enough to modify the config SG> files as needed. And I like the package a lot. among the things that has me interested, RH8.0 uses Lokkit in setting up baseline Firewall rules. I don't know much about firewalls (yet), but I want to know whether or not it's a Good Thing to have Lokkit doing what it does. (for example, is it sufficient as a starting point, or should I remove it and define my own rules?) Advice is always welcome... Also: Is there a better way to provide information online from past meetings? There are some things where the notes provided raise more questions than they answer for me. Having slide show notes are great, but if someone that was present asked the same question i have, how would i know? just a few thoughts... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "[T]here is nothing so unnatural as the commonplace." -- Sherlock Holmes, in 'A Case of Identity' * TAG! v3.1 *
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:25:26AM +0500, Bill Smith wrote: wsmith> want to know whether or not it's a Good Thing to have Lokkit doing what wsmith> it does. (for example, is it sufficient as a starting point, or should wsmith> I remove it and define my own rules?) No, lokkit does a good job at setting up firewall rules for most users' basic needs. The thing you need to remember with the redhat-config-securitylevel utility, is that every time you go into it, it defaults to the High setting, and does NOT show you what the current setting is. People are confused by this all the time, since they think that after changing it to Medium or Low, it should stay on that setting the next time they open the control panel. It doesn't work that way. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:19:50 -0500 "Charles R. Anderson" <cra@WPI.EDU> wrote: CRA> No, lokkit does a good job at setting up firewall rules for CRA> most users' basic needs. Okay... This is a Good Thing to know... :) CRA> The thing you need to remember with CRA> the redhat-config-securitylevel utility, is that every time you go CRA> into it, it defaults to the High setting, and does NOT show CRA> you what the current setting is. People are confused by this CRA> all the time, since they think that after changing it to Medium CRA> or Low, it should stay on that setting the next time they open CRA> the control panel. It doesn't work that way. Right... I've noticed this. Because Lokkit is kind of "secretive" in what it actually has defined (one doesn't know until one goes in with other tools), I didn't know if Lokkit was doing a good job or if it was just doing something half-baked... <shrug> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com It just seems wrong to cheat on an ethics test. -- Calvin * TAG! v3.1 *
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:23:09PM +0500, Bill Smith wrote: wsmith> Right... I've noticed this. Because Lokkit is kind of "secretive" in wsmith> what it actually has defined (one doesn't know until one goes in with wsmith> other tools), I didn't know if Lokkit was doing a good job or if it was wsmith> just doing something half-baked... <shrug> The firewall rules are stored in /etc/sysconfig/iptables (or /etc/sysconfig/ipchains on < 8.0 releases). It's just difficult to parse those files and determine High/Medium/Low, since someone could have hand edited the file after the fact. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886
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Bill Smith
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Charles R. Anderson
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Haines, Charles Allen
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Skip Gaede