Hey, guys. I'm getting quite a lot of crap email these days, ever since ORBS/ORBL & Co. disappeared, and MAPS went to a fee-based service. (I'm really not planning to pay $200/yr for a single blackhole list.) I was never really crazy about MAPS to begin with, because they tried too hard to be "fair." ;) ORBS was hyper-aggressive, and rocked. (About 80% of my crap email was filtered by ORBS, and I had special pre-RBL filters that extracted mail from friends using bad ISP's with open relays.) Anyway, is anyone using (or know of) a freely-queriable RBL? Although it's fun to upgrade the keyword filter, it would be easier if I only had to do it for exceptions. BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 messages. Can anyone beat that? -Chuck
Use Spamassassin. Seriously. It works. Very well. http://www.spamassassin.org/ -- Charles R. Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:57:42AM -0500, Chuck Homic wrote:
I'm getting quite a lot of crap email these days, ever since ORBS/ORBL & Co. disappeared, and MAPS went to a fee-based service. (I'm really not planning to pay $200/yr for a single blackhole list.) I was never really crazy about MAPS to begin with, because they tried too hard to be "fair."
MAPS is still free for non-commercial use. There are many others out there.
Anyway, is anyone using (or know of) a freely-queriable RBL? Although it's fun to upgrade the keyword filter, it would be easier if I only had to do it for exceptions.
BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 messages. Can anyone beat that?
check out: http://www.kluge.net/mailfiltering/ I've been writing up most of what I do on my machine. It's partially written for my users and partially written for other people who want to find out about mail filtering. At a minimum, I have a listing of the RBLs that I specifically use. There are more out there. My main suggestion to you is: get SpamAssassin. For anything that gets through your MTA, it'll clear up your inbox. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Minix is one of the reasons I decided microkernels are bad. VMS is the reason I decided VMS is bad." - Linus Torvalds
Only my hotmail account beats that ;-). Of course, that's what its there for... -Adam
BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 messages. Can anyone beat that?
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On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:57:42AM -0500, Chuck Homic wrote:
BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 messages. Can anyone beat that?
I'm currently at 49 since midnight on April 1st. This isn't counting the spams rejected at the SMTP level that I never see. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence." - Sinclair on Babylon 5
Chuck Homic <chuck@vvisions.com> writes:
Anyway, is anyone using (or know of) a freely-queriable RBL? Although it's fun to upgrade the keyword filter, it would be easier if I only had to do it for exceptions.
Hmm, dunno about a RBL, but TMDA is really cool...perhaps you should check it out? http://tmda.sf.net/
BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 messages. Can anyone beat that?
Hmm, that's about what I get. Lately I've been getting a lot of chinese spam with unreadable subject/body, which is interesting. ttyl, -- Josh Huber
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:01:21PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote:
Anyway, is anyone using (or know of) a freely-queriable RBL? Although it's fun to upgrade the keyword filter, it would be easier if I only had to do it for exceptions.
Hmm, dunno about a RBL, but TMDA is really cool...perhaps you should check it out?
TMDA looks interesting, but despite all the propaganda for whitelist-only, I really don't want to risk losing a contact because someone didn't understand, or bother to reply to the autogenerated response. As it is now, my junk is routed to a junk spool that I check on a somewhat-weekly basis, just to make sure I didn't accidentally junk a message from a potential customer, or other business contact that's just lame enough to send a spam-looking message from his Yahoo account. (Yeah, it happens!!) Spamassassin looks cool, but I don't admin the machine where my mail is processed, so it may be a while before I can set that up. ;) (It's actually a Redhat 5.1 system that hasn't been touched since Redhat 5.1 was brand new. We've only installed security upgrades.) But I did find mention of ordb.org on the spamassassin web site, which has solved my immediate problem. ;)
BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 messages. Can anyone beat that?
Hmm, that's about what I get. Lately I've been getting a lot of chinese spam with unreadable subject/body, which is interesting.
Korean, for me. Odd. -Chuck
Chuck Homic <chuck@vvisions.com> writes:
TMDA looks interesting, but despite all the propaganda for whitelist-only, I really don't want to risk losing a contact because someone didn't understand, or bother to reply to the autogenerated response.
Yeah, I guess I look at it a different way -- if they're too incompetent to hit "reply" in their email client, I probably don't want to talk to them anyway...
As it is now, my junk is routed to a junk spool that I check on a somewhat-weekly basis, just to make sure I didn't accidentally junk a message from a potential customer, or other business contact that's just lame enough to send a spam-looking message from his Yahoo account. (Yeah, it happens!!)
With TMDA you can use the tmda-pending utility to show a list of messages which are unconfirmed. Some people seem to like having cron send them a daily list of messages in the unconfirmed list. (or, perhaps a list of new messages in the pending directory...) So, it's not like you never get the chance to see the message. You can look in the list and say, oh...release that message for me. (etc.)
Spamassassin looks cool, but I don't admin the machine where my mail is processed, so it may be a while before I can set that up. ;) (It's actually a Redhat 5.1 system that hasn't been touched since Redhat 5.1 was brand new. We've only installed security upgrades.)
Yeah, I haven't tried it, but I've also heard good things about spamassassin. ttyl, -- Josh Huber
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:01:11PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote:
Yeah, I guess I look at it a different way -- if they're too incompetent to hit "reply" in their email client, I probably don't want to talk to them anyway...
Hah... too bad in my industry, incompetence is pretty common. And the more incompetent, the more likely you are to be promoted. So the most incompetent ones are the ones I can't afford to ignore. ;)
With TMDA you can use the tmda-pending utility to show a list of messages which are unconfirmed. Some people seem to like having cron send them a daily list of messages in the unconfirmed list. (or, perhaps a list of new messages in the pending directory...)
That's a good point. If I don't want to make people reply to confirmation messages, I could simply run a whitelist by default, /dev/null all the blacklisted items, and inspect the "purgatory" spool once a week or so to update both lists. -Chuck
Chuck Homic <chuck@vvisions.com> writes:
Hah... too bad in my industry, incompetence is pretty common. And the more incompetent, the more likely you are to be promoted. So the most incompetent ones are the ones I can't afford to ignore. ;)
"The opinions of expressed are not the opinions of my employer" =) But yeah, I can see what you mean. :) -- Josh Huber
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