High-speed access questions
It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected. Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? Thanks. Greg
Linux and verizon DSL work just fine. So does FreeBSD. -Chuck On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:35:39 -0500, Gregory Avedissian <avedis@rcn.com> wrote:
It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected.
Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals?
Thanks.
Greg
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Works fine but how? I tried to use pppoeconf for configuring the ethernet connection with the verizon's modem (i still dont know how it works) but it didnt work. On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 19:53, Chuck Noyes wrote:
Linux and verizon DSL work just fine. So does FreeBSD.
-Chuck
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:35:39 -0500, Gregory Avedissian <avedis@rcn.com> wrote:
It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected.
Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals?
Thanks.
Greg
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On Wednesday 31 March 2004 12:35 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote:
Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals?
verizon is the cheapest ive seen in our area ... i use it out in holden and the service has been perfect the last few years ... if you can get speakeasy, i'd shell the few extra dollars out for them (too bad they dont have service in holden for me though :() ... speakeasy knows linux and offers technical support for no extra $$$ i started using them when they first started offering DSL and they sucked horribly ... but they have gotten their act together and i havent had troubles since personally i use a gentoo linux router that connects with PPPoE and hosts dns (with dnsmasq)/dhcp/NAT for about 6 linux machines and 5 windows machines ... never had troubles that were my fault :) do *not* try to contact technical support from verizon, the vast majority are stupid and just read off of the screen in front of them ... i only ever talked to one guy that knew what 'linux' was and that was after hours of being on the phone (this was back when their hardware would go dark for days on end) if need/want help i wouldnt mind stopping over to lend a hand ... assuming you live in the worcester area :) -mike
Verizon DSL is very hit or miss from my experience. If it works it's fantastic other wise forget it. I lived in an old 3 decker in Worcester and the wiring in the neighborhood was old (Vernon Hill) and whenever it rained or we had snow my connection would go down. My phone worked find but there was too much noise on the line to carry the DSL signal. I called called Verizon where I had good experience with there tech support, the sent out many techs each time correcting the problem a few more feet up the street! When I went to cable they even reimbursed me for my last months service, or lack of service. You mileage may vary ! -Matt Quoting Gregory Avedissian <avedis@rcn.com>:
It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected.
Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals?
Thanks.
Greg
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I'm using linux ( RH 9.0 ) for my nternet gateway/firewall with four windows boxes through it. Speed is good. No support from Verizon ( SURPRISE!!! ) but works very well for me in Marlborough dave goss assimulation is fulite! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Avedissian" <avedis@rcn.com> To: <wlug@mail.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: [Wlug] High-speed access questions
It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected.
Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals?
Thanks.
Greg
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Gregory Avedissian wrote:
It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected.
When I signed up for a AT&T cable modem (before Comcast bought them), it was actually impossible to enable your cable modem from within Linux. There was a windows program to do the initial setup. After you get past that point, Linux would work with it fine. I luckily had a Windows partition on the machine at the time. I'm hoping that Comcast doesn't have this same problem for new users, but issues like that are a possibility.
Not true (entirely). What Comcast does now is direct all requests from an unauthorized modem to a Comcast web page that you enter your info in and it authorized the MAC address on your modem. Before that with AT&T Broadband, I called up support, told them I had an unsupported OS and asked them to enable my modem for use on their network. They asked for my various information, and 5 minutes later, everything worked. But yes, using the Windows program was probably the easiest way. Fortunately, now anyone with a browser can set things up. Brian On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:27:49 -0500 (EST) gboyce@badbelly.com wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Gregory Avedissian wrote:
It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected.
When I signed up for a AT&T cable modem (before Comcast bought them), it
was actually impossible to enable your cable modem from within Linux. There was a windows program to do the initial setup. After you get past
that point, Linux would work with it fine.
I luckily had a Windows partition on the machine at the time.
I'm hoping that Comcast doesn't have this same problem for new users, but issues like that are a possibility.
Hi Gregory Avedissian wrote:
It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected.
I have dealt with 3 cable companies. The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will make no difference. I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). doug
Thanks to all who answered on this one. I called Verizon to ask them about linux, and the person I spoke to had never heard of it. He did manage to spell it right the first time, put me on hold and went to talk to someone else who said that it does work. I also switched my phone plan, and I'm saving $5/month on the DSL and another $5/month on my long distance. I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a windows box? Greg doug waud wrote:
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Gregory Avedissian wrote:
It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected.
I have dealt with 3 cable companies.
The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he was out the door.
The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out the door.
The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router.
In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will make no difference.
I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-)
Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish).
doug
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On Wednesday 31 March 2004 07:50 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote:
I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a windows box?
nope ... just get a hub and plug all the machines into it (dont plug into the Uplink port though :D) on the router, if you run dhcp / nat / dns and setup the dhcp to give out all the right values, all the machines should know what to do -mike
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