The problem I see is when you go out and buy a PC, blowout the partitions that have "longhorn" (MS's next OS) and install linux, reboot the machine and get this error at the POST screen: "TCPA Error: BOOT DEVICE DOES NOT CONTAIN VALID BOOT KEY" I don't see the people building the whole DRM infrastructure giving out details on how to change keys since their whole authentication infrastructure is based around the idea that every machine has a unique key so they can track things on a PC by PC basis. In their view, the idea of installing an operating system that doesn't have DRM built into it at the kernel level is an unacceptable option. The only way for DRM to be effective is to have a say in every action on your machine. Start an application and "DRM" verifies that the application is allowed to run on the machine. Insert a piece of media and "DRM" verifies that your allowed to access it. Go to a particular website and "DRM" decides if your allowed to access said website... On the privacy side of this, what's to keep the whole infrastructure from also keeping detailed info on what apps/media/peripheral/websites you access. Yeah, you could opt out of it, but by not opting in, your PC becomes utterly crippled, unable to play DVD's (since it can't verify authenticity), unable to run verified apps, etc... I see all kinds of other very onerous privacy issues with this... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Hanley [mailto:gary@hanley.net] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 21:53 PM To: wlug@mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Karl Hiramoto wrote:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html Thoughts? Should we boycot?
Boycott what? We run Linux. :-) The best thing you can do is make your local politicians aware of your opinion on the matter. Also, consider joining: www.eff.org -- Gary _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug@mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug
Scenario #2 on POST after you install Linux. :) TCPA Error: Untrusted Operating System Detected. Please Insert Your Micro$oft CD for reinstall On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Keller, Tim wrote:
The problem I see is when you go out and buy a PC, blowout the partitions that have "longhorn" (MS's next OS) and install linux, reboot the machine and get this error at the POST screen:
"TCPA Error: BOOT DEVICE DOES NOT CONTAIN VALID BOOT KEY"
I don't see the people building the whole DRM infrastructure giving out details on how to change keys since their whole authentication infrastructure is based around the idea that every machine has a unique key so they can track things on a PC by PC basis. In their view, the idea of installing an operating system that doesn't have DRM built into it at the kernel level is an unacceptable option. The only way for DRM to be effective is to have a say in every action on your machine. Start an application and "DRM" verifies that the application is allowed to run on the machine. Insert a piece of media and "DRM" verifies that your allowed to access it. Go to a particular website and "DRM" decides if your allowed to access said website...
On the privacy side of this, what's to keep the whole infrastructure from also keeping detailed info on what apps/media/peripheral/websites you access. Yeah, you could opt out of it, but by not opting in, your PC becomes utterly crippled, unable to play DVD's (since it can't verify authenticity), unable to run verified apps, etc...
I see all kinds of other very onerous privacy issues with this...
Tim.
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Hanley [mailto:gary@hanley.net] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 21:53 PM To: wlug@mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Karl Hiramoto wrote:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html Thoughts? Should we boycot?
Boycott what? We run Linux. :-)
The best thing you can do is make your local politicians aware of your opinion on the matter.
Also, consider joining:
www.eff.org
-- Gary
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Keller, Tim wrote:
The problem I see is when you go out and buy a PC, blowout the partitions that have "longhorn" (MS's next OS) and install linux, reboot the machine and get this error at the POST screen:
Of course, in this day and age you should be building your own. It's a lot easier than it used to be and you get to pick and choose exactly which components you want - hardware & software!
"TCPA Error: BOOT DEVICE DOES NOT CONTAIN VALID BOOT KEY"
If something like this may comes to pass then you'll have to shell out more dough for SCSI disks I guess. Not entirely bad...just more expensive. -- Gary
The problem I see is when you go out and buy a PC, blowout the partitions that have "longhorn" (MS's next OS) and install linux, reboot the machine and get this error at the POST screen:
Of course, in this day and age you should be building your own. It's a lot easier than it used to be and you get to pick and choose exactly which components you want - hardware & software!
Sure, but since Intel and AMD have both sworn themselves to support Palladium in their hardware, there aren't that many choices left in that area of the consumer market (VIA, I suppose).
"TCPA Error: BOOT DEVICE DOES NOT CONTAIN VALID BOOT KEY"
If something like this may comes to pass then you'll have to shell out more dough for SCSI disks I guess. Not entirely bad...just more expensive.
The disks aren't the issue, it's having software that the Palladium-enabled BIOS says is okay to boot. Where it's booting from doesn't matter. Theoretically, of course. I wonder where I put my tinfoil hat. Brian J. Conway bconway@alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Brian J.Conway wrote:
Sure, but since Intel and AMD have both sworn themselves to support Palladium in their hardware, there aren't that many choices left in that area of the consumer market (VIA, I suppose).
Have they sworn support or paying it lip-service at this point. I think I read somewhere that they are internally not in favor of Palladium but are being pressured to incorporate it, and if there is enough resistance they will have a reason to drop off. Maybe it was just AMD? I don't remember where I read that...sorry.
The disks aren't the issue, it's having software that the Palladium-enabled BIOS says is okay to boot. Where it's booting from doesn't matter.
Well the grand scheme being pushed by Hollywood includes updates to the disk BIOS. Although I didn't read it specifically I would assume they would leave SCSI alone since SCSI are essentially business disks and EIDE are consumer disks. So if you build a system that looks like a business server maybe Palladium will let it pass? :-| -- Gary
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