Tim> That seems kind of odd. I would think you'd be able to run the Tim> 850 underclocked to 600 without any problems. The PIII chips are fixed clocks, you can't change the multiplier on them (like you could on the celerons). At least that's what I remember. As for a trade, I've got a suspect motherboard with a pair of PIII 450s (or so, I can't remember right now) that I'd be willing to sell/trade. I think the only thing I sorta maybe looking for is a really good sound card to use with Linux. My DELL Precision 610MT (dual PIII Xeon 550) has a crappy builtin sound card (which I can't get to work with ALSA) and I'm not happy with the Avance ALS4000 card I have either. I'll try to make the next thursday night meeting and bring stuff for trade/sell. John