>Yes!  I need an obsolete computer.  The only thing I know about
>Windows-10 is that it proved Microsoft can't count.  Versions 1, 2, 3.1,
>95, 98, were at least monotonic increasing.

If you need a new computer for running gcc, TeX, a web browser, a PDF viewer,
and all other of your computing needs, then we can surely help!

>I don't install Linux on hundreds of computers; I've done about 30
>installs over the years.  It used to be: buy a Linux CD from the
>bookstore (Not a joke.  I did that several times in the 1990s).  Every
>computer had a built-in CD reader that it could boot from and everything
>was on the CD.

Oh, that takes me back! When I was first getting into Linux circa 2009,
I would be trying out Linux install CDs that were included in several
Linux publications within the magazine section at Barnes and Noble. I
was fascinated by how I could run a complete desktop from a cheap piece of
optical media found in the back of a magazine, and it was at a fraction
of the cost of a Windows license.

>The last few times I have done a Debian net-install.  It worked through
>a RJ-45 jack connection to home internet.  Details changed.  I no longer
>have a IPv4 address and NAT, but IPv6 configured itself and worked.

>But now RJ-45 seems to be obsolete.  Can I install over a wireless
>(wifi) connection?  Not long ago, the OS needed to be working and
>then it could install a special non-free driver for the wifi and use
>it at the coffee shop.

>Now that I have my own wireless router it seems mostly good, but I still
>trust the wire more.  I don't need terabytes and virtual reality video
>games.  Let me run gcc, TeX, a web browser and a pdf viewer, that's
>about it.

>I miss the punch card reader at school, but I don't need one at home.
>Do I need RJ-45?

You can expect a mainstream distribution such as Fedora or Debian to have
offline installers in case their online installers don't work. These online installers
should give you the option to configure a wired connection or a wireless
connection.

I believe the one limiting factor (as you're alluding to) is whether the wifi
card has the appropriate driver. This can become a catch-22 for online installers
which typically don't give you the kind of environment needed to build and install
the necessary kernel module and firmware.

The best workaround I've found is finding a chipset that's known to work OOTB with
a stock Linux kernel:

https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi

The ALFA AWUS036ACM is the USB wifi adapter that I have, and it's saved me *A LOT*
of headache when experimenting with uncommon devices that usually come with
Broadcom wifi cards:

https://www.alfa.com.tw/products/awus036acm_1
https://www.amazon.com/Network-AWUS036ACM-Long-Range-Wide-Coverage-High-Sensitivity/dp/B08BJS8FXD

- Josh

On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 12:15 AM Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> wrote:
Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:

> I thought it was really cool to see a coordinated effort to extend the
> lifespan of perfectly usable computers that're only "Obsolete" because
> of Windows 10 becoming EOL:

Yes!  I need an obsolete computer.  The only thing I know about
Windows-10 is that it proved Microsoft can't count.  Versions 1, 2, 3.1,
95, 98, were at least monotonic increasing.

I don't install Linux on hundreds of computers; I've done about 30
installs over the years.  It used to be: buy a Linux CD from the
bookstore (Not a joke.  I did that several times in the 1990s).  Every
computer had a built-in CD reader that it could boot from and everything
was on the CD.

The last few times I have done a Debian net-install.  It worked through
a RJ-45 jack connection to home internet.  Details changed.  I no longer
have a IPv4 address and NAT, but IPv6 configured itself and worked.

But now RJ-45 seems to be obsolete.  Can I install over a wireless
(wifi) connection?  Not long ago, the OS needed to be working and
then it could install a special non-free driver for the wifi and use
it at the coffee shop.

Now that I have my own wireless router it seems mostly good, but I still
trust the wire more.  I don't need terabytes and virtual reality video
games.  Let me run gcc, TeX, a web browser and a pdf viewer, that's
about it.

I miss the punch card reader at school, but I don't need one at home.
Do I need RJ-45?

  -- Keith