If you're ever bored with using the Google recursors, give the Oracle recursors a try - 216.146.35.35 & 216.146.36.36 

Source: I work on OCI's DNS service that maintains the recursors.

On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 7:51 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:

ISPs figured out a long time ago they could harvest and sell your DNS query information. Sure because of https they can't see what your google queries are, but they can deduce the results..

Just looking at my PiHole logs is pretty enlightening.. It's clear I was just about to go on vacation in Maine, before that I was researching places in the Berkshires, before that I was on a whole bunch of EV review sites.

That's just filtering for stuff from this machine and my phone. If I turn the filter off and see all the queries, you can quickly figure out there are people into Dr. Who, Star Trek, Anime. Using spotify and discord and facebook and instagram and tumblr and reddit.

Things like DNS over HTTPS and DNSSEC help, but just to stop MITM stuff.. if the ISP is running the DNS server, they can see the queries.. Now, maybe cloudflare or google is doing the same thing, but have far less of an understanding of who I am.. vs.. Verizon..

We can have a bigger conversation about what google knows about you..

Tim.

On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 3:55 PM Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> wrote:

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:

> I've long since decided to avoid using my ISP's dns and went to
> running PiHole with the upstream dns being 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1
>
> Tim.

Other than the hack value of doing it yourself,
is there a specific reason that you avoid ISP DNS?

   -- Keith

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